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Post by Haze on Oct 2, 2009 23:55:52 GMT -5
Its only been a few days dude, we were planning on sorting it out at practice this sunday, chill.
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Post by Tiberius on Oct 2, 2009 23:58:20 GMT -5
the only way to get to know what is going on is to show up for practice, go to events, and then maybe you have and idea of whats going on. thats the reason i am unitless still, i dont know much about that but i dont care.
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Post by araduin on Oct 3, 2009 0:01:56 GMT -5
Well, Eion, that's part of the problem with setting limits. You have been going to practices quite regularly, and in five months, you probably have a better idea of how things work than some people do after a year. But to keep track of people by how many practices they attend isn't exactly feasible, since Maethodoron never really kept track of things like that, for good reason (some Maethodoron members have lives, no sense in punishing them for not coming to practices enough).
You being actively involved for five months is a far cry from new members who have attended three or four practices. But even if you don't qualify to vote doesn't mean you have no say. Ideas get tossed around on these boards all of the time, and you can be brand-spankin' new and still be able to throw your ideas into the pot.
I don't mean to come off as an anti-new person. Anybody that tries to accuse me of such is lying to your face, and everybody in Maeth knows that. But we have put way too much pressure on our new people. They come to practice to have fun, only to be scolded for trying a fancy move they saw in a movie or for building an impractical but well-built fantasy weapon from a video game, and then told how to fight five different ways by five different people. Even worse, some get invited to units before they even attend one practice, only to be dragged off to the debauchery of Badon Hill while still trying to deal with the pressure of being a college freshman who may have left home for the first time in their lives. And if the noob is a young lady, she'll have to contend with the swarms of trenchcoat lotharios who try to get into her pants before she realizes what sleazebags they really are. And you want to heap the responsibility of an election on top of that? Geez, people, it's a game, let them have their fun before sucking them into the politics.
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Post by Haze on Oct 3, 2009 0:02:41 GMT -5
The only way to know what is going on is to be involved with Maethodoron? What do you want dude a newspaper? When something is decided we will mass email it and send out text message alerts.. I'm not sure asking for much more is fair. To be honest when I first started we didn't have a forum, I didn't have a cell phone and I went to practice maybe once a month, and I still kept up with what was going on.
Keep this on topic please, they wanted to hear people's ideas about this before anything was made, we also sent out notification to check the forums out to keep informed.
Guess what I'm saying is this is not the place for argument.
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Post by Swordbrother Nova on Oct 3, 2009 12:34:02 GMT -5
I received a call from Owen earlier today. A while back he offered to write bylaws for us to take and modify to fit our realm, and he was calling to say that I would probably have them on Monday. Owen isn't doing this to step into our business and try to take over or anything, he's written bylaws for four other realms and has been in dag for a LONG time, so he knows what he's doing. When I get the bylaws I will post them up on here in an open and sticky thread. Please discuss what you do and do not like about them there.
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Post by Morguinness on Oct 4, 2009 14:47:24 GMT -5
we need to gather the brethren court to assemble a code book to settle all this gray area stuff and new idea's from the past few weeks and to officially say how voting works instead of blurting out idea's and not having it set as what we go by. we have all this talk and no show for it. whoa, slow down there a second. all of this "talk" is very necessary. we don't want to be rash and just set up something to say that we did, we want to get it right the first time. and that involves time and "talk". |
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Post by Morguinness on Oct 4, 2009 14:53:08 GMT -5
I received a call from Owen earlier today. A while back he offered to write bylaws for us to take and modify to fit our realm, and he was calling to say that I would probably have them on Monday. Owen isn't doing this to step into our business and try to take over or anything, he's written bylaws for four other realms and has been in dag for a LONG time, so he knows what he's doing. When I get the bylaws I will post them up on here in an open and sticky thread. Please discuss what you do and do not like about them there. are these bylaws going to be suggestions for us to use, or are we supposed to implement them immediately? |
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Post by Mulesak(Paragon) on Oct 4, 2009 14:58:01 GMT -5
When I get the bylaws I will post them up on here in an open and sticky thread. Please discuss what you do and do not like about them there. going by that part there, id say that when nova posts them, you all should feel free to discus then. hence what she gets will be a draft, and maeth can decide from there... |
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Post by Mercaine on Oct 4, 2009 17:18:36 GMT -5
Yeah they will be a nice suggestion for us to adapt, add, delete and then finally adopt if we wish. Discussion with those will go on for a while, but we'll probably run the election in tandem with the talk about the bylaws so we can get moving along. There's so much going on right now that we need to move on certain aspects now so things like events don't start falling behind.
So to throw out what I'm thinking for this election and what not:
If Gilth is still willing we will have her oversee the election. Prior to the actual election, we can have a more informal but important election for the positions that are actually needed in the realm. If people think we need more positions we'll add more if people think we need less we'll take away positions.
We'll let that go for just a few days (because we need to get moving) sorry but time is not our friend and we don't have the time to wait around.
The positions right now are standing at:
Realm Admin:
Vice Admin:
Event Admin:
Head Herald:
Bookkeeper/treasurer:
Personally I don't like that spread. Those positions are very eh, what is the job of the vice vs the Realm admin and what's the point of the event admin when the vice and the realm could just work together and come up with events? I'd like to see three equally powered admin positions where they all work together and have to come up with unanimous votes before presenting new ideas.
A bookkeeper/treasurer/historian position to handle paperwork keep track of the finances and what not also is a decent idea. It keeps our admins thinking freely and they can just refer to the multi-person for answers.
Kenshin has done a great job at head herald, but because of that I've realized how pointless the position is. We have enough people who want to herald now so what is the point of a head when there are three admins who should all be able to answer the same questions?
just my two cents on positions. If we need more we can add if we need to take away we can as well. We'll have a vote on that shortly (probably within the week or so)
The major vote is going to be run FAIRLY. When I say this I know it scares some of the vets that their voices won't be heard over the chorus of new people. But at the same time, those new people need to get involved too. I think everyone should have a chance to vote as long as they've been out enough to feel they need to vote. If they know what's going on they'll vote, if they are clueless we can always ask that maybe they won't want to vote. But we SHOULD NEVER force someone to be unable to vote.
If you want a fair election then the only fair democratic election involves everyone. It's your choice to abstain from the vote if you feel you need to, not that of some random cutoff.
I end with one last disclaimer:
Stop talking behind people's backs, if you have problems TALK TO ME! I CAN FIND A MIDDLE GROUND FOR EVERYONE! Just be reasonable and willing to discuss. Everyone's going to have to give a bit to get.
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Post by araduin on Oct 4, 2009 20:39:29 GMT -5
I received a call from Owen earlier today. A while back he offered to write bylaws for us to take and modify to fit our realm, and he was calling to say that I would probably have them on Monday. Owen isn't doing this to step into our business and try to take over or anything, he's written bylaws for four other realms and has been in dag for a LONG time, so he knows what he's doing. When I get the bylaws I will post them up on here in an open and sticky thread. Please discuss what you do and do not like about them there. Bylaws are just about the best idea right now, but that is one area that admins should include EVERYONE in on (even brand new people). I'm just glad I'm not around to have to attend those meetings, they're BORING!!!! If you can use a model from another realm and pick and choose what you like, and change what you don't, that would rock. As long as it's not only three people deciding what they should be. |
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Post by Gilthonielle on Oct 4, 2009 21:03:25 GMT -5
I would definitely still be up for helping. Just keep me in the loop about what you need from me (preferably by email).
Gilth
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Post by Swordbrother Nova on Oct 4, 2009 21:45:37 GMT -5
Yes, the by laws will be up on Monday (Or whenever I get them), and because it has a global effect (tee hee, MTG) everyone should have a say, keep in mind though when you look at the by laws Maethodoron is growing, we don't want to have to change the by laws again (in order to accommodate new members),and have to go through all of this in order to do that. Be merciful upon future members of Maeth, admins or not.
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Post by araduin on Oct 4, 2009 23:03:31 GMT -5
Stop talking behind people's backs That is terrific advice. Perhaps you should follow it. Instead, you told people that Tiradora and I could not be trusted with the funds from the Winter Event because, due to our money problems, we would have spent it (oddly enough, we both had jobs while you were unemployed. Never let a poor person be the treasurer). Then, when people asked where the funds were spent, you had the nerve to say it's Tiradora's responsibility to keep track, because she was the bookkeeper. What was she supposed to do, follow you around with a notebook? Even if we were still in Maethodoron, we would have stepped down. All of our hard work we've put into making weapons, garb, and planning events, all of our own money we've invested, all of the people we put up in our house, and all of the rides we gave people to events (while you did very few of those things yourself), we were extremely insulted by your insinuation (told behind our backs). EDIT: Before you lock this thread or delete this post because it's a "personal attack", remember, it's no worse than some of the personal attacks that the webmaster has posted himself, and are still on the boards. Truth be told, Tiradora wanted to have no part in that money, because she knew it would be trouble. I really hate how she's right all of the time... |
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Post by Haze on Oct 4, 2009 23:10:41 GMT -5
lol I won't lock it everyone has a place I suppose good point
money does do strange things to people, ive seen some psychological studies on the effects of just holding money
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Post by Mercaine on Oct 4, 2009 23:51:46 GMT -5
I'm interested in wondering where money came into this. Not that it matters at this point. Maeth still has plenty of money, that I haven't touched, and Have actually used my money in lieu multiple times to purchase maeth items, but that is a tangent we don't need to indulge on this thread.
But because i need to respond to that I'm going to... I've never said I didn't trust you guys with the money, I never wanted you to have to deal with the money. You had tons of other stuff on your plates all the time to have to worry about who was spending what and where it was going. I also don't remember ever saying that Tiradora should have taken care of the money because of being the bookkeeper. I believe I said if she wanted to she could, especially after we got a bank account.
Side Note we still have somewhere in the range of $450 ish I'll check when i get home tonight and have my files.
I was always thankful for what you two provided to the realm in the form of rides, housing, garb and everything you've done. The only thing you two didn't really do was any "admin" stuff to avoid "politics."
But now you say you "resigned" from Maeth and don't consider yourselves members anymore yet stay on our boards and throw accusations around and start problems and attack me. I've apologized for many things while being realm admin, worked around nearly everyone's problems and took into consideration everyone's opinions even though I never wanted to. There are so many faster and easier ways to make decisions that have nothing to do with other people. Being a realm admin for Maeth has been a crazy ride and I'm not going to say it's been bad, always there were good and bad times. It is a lot of work, as much as I'd like to stay out of things I've had to say something about every single thing that happened in this realm. Maybe I haven't always made the best decisions, but we all learned this game at the same time, so yeah I know I was going to make mistakes. Hopefully people can forgive me for some of the mistakes I've made, notably I know now that appointing the other two admins was a bad idea. I had NO IDEA that anyone else was interested, no one contacted me I found out last, and then I waited, still not a contact so i went ahead with a position that got something done.
I'm sorry that i missed something, hence why we are trying to fix it by holding elections, by creating bylaws, and by reworking the entire maeth system to hopefully turn it into some sort of turn-key operation for an administration down the road.
I'm still happy being an admin, i'm still willing to make things work and see a change to a direction that I think will be much better than before. And I'm still happily going to donate my time, dedication and even money to the cause.
I've never gotten on these boards and flamed anyone directly, and for you to do this, a previous admin whom i've always trusted and considered a good friend hurts. I will not do anything to your account or lock this thread. However, since you no longer consider yourself part of this realm I ask you, like we did to other outside realm members, to please do not come onto our boards and start drama, cause fights or openly attack other members. Attacks of members was against the terms of service for our other message boards, and is very disrespectful to the entire realm. While I'm not going to stop you from voicing your opinions I'm asking that maybe you just move on and leave this situation to resolve itself.
Thank you.
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