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Post by Lucius on Oct 5, 2009 0:15:31 GMT -5
Well said, Merc. I really wanted to stay out of this and not appear to be on anyone's 'side,' but i have to respond here. Nicky; up until now you have been the person I respected the most; both in Maethodoron and in Dagorhir as a whole. You’ve always been one to have a cool head when there’s a crisis going on.
Lately, it seems like you’ve changed. I hate to say it, but Merc hit the nail on the head when he said that you’re acting just like the non-realm people that we had to ask to leave the yahoo group.
At this point it’s a he said – he said thing. The only time I’ve ever heard anything about Merc saying he couldn’t trust you or Liza with the money is from your mouth. If someone else can corroborate your story, then I’ll believe you and Merc will have some explaining to do.
As for whether or not the money is left, you should know that it’s still around; Merc told me that he paid you the part of your security deposit that you didn’t get back because of Maeth related damages. If this isn’t true, then once again, Merc might have some explaining to do. In addition, he offered to get Nova and I debit cards to access the money. Admittedly, he hasn’t done it yet, But I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt while he starts his new job.
I don't think this is the place for the sort of ad hominem attacks that have been going around. Especially this particular thread; which is for voting ideas. I guess, though, I should thank you for not going behind Merc's back in saying this and saying it to his face; however a private message may have been better. I stand by the statement that we, as admins, want to hear your criticism. Anything we have done is only in order to improve the realm.
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Post by Haze on Oct 5, 2009 2:05:21 GMT -5
I really don't understand why people are arguing when it seems like everyone wants the same thing. This whole thing is seriously snowballing because it doesn't seem like anybody but the people being accused are doing anything positive to change things. If you don't want to help out, don't want to push positively with things and just want to complain then I'd much rather you left and I won't miss you.
And some people that do get out, please stay out instead of bringing your drama back here.
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Post by Swordbrother Nova on Oct 5, 2009 2:32:29 GMT -5
When I get the bylaws I will post them up on here in an open and sticky thread. Please discuss what you do and do not like about them there. going by that part there, id say that when nova posts them, you all should feel free to discus then. hence what she gets will be a draft, and maeth can decide from there... Yep, no sense enforcing bylaws that don't really mean anything to us just because some dude who's been in dag too long wrote them. That would be like letting blackhawk change any rule he wanted just because he's old. |
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Post by araduin on Oct 5, 2009 2:53:57 GMT -5
Cyrus, you are the LAST person that should accuse anyone of causing drama.
I heard from two different people that Mercaine said those things. I wouldn't be bringing it up if I wasn't pretty sure it was said.
Mercaine's behavior is the ONLY reason Tiradora and I do not want to be a part of Maethodoron anymore. I felt like I was abandoning everybody by just stepping down and leaving, so I felt it needed to be brought out into the open. Mercaine has stuck several knives in our backs over the past four years, and I know of at least ten people that feel the same way. Nobody else says anything, and everytime I try to defend you people, you accuse me of causing drama. If you want me to leave, fine, I'll leave. But know this; Mercaine cannot be trusted, but you will all have to learn that for yourselves the hard way.
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Post by kira on Oct 5, 2009 9:04:15 GMT -5
I would like to point out to EVERYONE that, as the boards are publically accessible, bringing out issues on the board is far from talking behind someone's back. Sometimes it's appropriate, and sometimes it's too public for personal issues, but it IS NOT talking behind someone's back.
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Post by Lucius on Oct 5, 2009 10:04:55 GMT -5
Kira, I agree with you that putting stuff on the boards is not talking behind someone's back. However, A private message on these forums is also not talking behind someones's back; and in this case it might have been better.
Araduin, I know Mercaine hasn't always been the nicest person. Hell, he's been pretty mean to me over the years, and you've always defended me, which I appreciate. If that really is what he said, then I'm disappointed in him. However, in my brief stint as realm administrator, I've learned what a tough, thankless job it is. I also know that nobody is challenging Merc as realm administrator; he must be doing something right.
You always bring up these '10 people' but we never hear from anyone but you. Those are the people that we especially want to hear from in order to help decide what's going to happen in the realm.
Maybe I'm naive, but I believe in giving people second chances; I think Merc deserves one. I also know that since I've given him that second chance he hasn't done anything to me to make me think that he is untrustworthy.
Sorry if this isn't as good of a reply as it could be; I have to go to class.
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Post by Haze on Oct 5, 2009 12:02:22 GMT -5
I realize I'm the last person that should say anything but sometimes you should follow your own advice man, you used to get on me about the same shit and its just ironic to me. I'm always trying my best at least. I don't think anybody at all wanted you to leave, you put those words there by saying you were... lol unless I am mistaken.
At least Araduin was one of the only people that was at least trying to offer some ideas and constructive criticism. Everyone is just seems like they are complaining to me. For real that is enough of that please keep this about election ideas.
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Post by Izad on Oct 5, 2009 16:06:18 GMT -5
As far as Election ideas, and this is not complainging, Merc thinks we dont need a head herald and the other 2 or 3 admins are going to split all of these duties. So ontop of the things we are doing now and changing and adding the 2 or 3 admins are going to do that too? I think it will cause problems if we dont have a person for specific things. Im not saying put in like 15 admins, eachwith a certain responsibility, im just saying split the jobs up between a couple more admins.
Cause i for one, if we only have these 2 or 3 and no head herald or whatever, will not listen to any complaing after we get done with the elections that there is so much stuff and they can only handle 1 thing at a time. When we could have had those couple 1 or 2 more positions.
I guess what im saying if that wasnt clear is, dont throw to much work on 2 people when you could easily have 2 more people.
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Post by Haze on Oct 5, 2009 16:08:53 GMT -5
The head herald position is just... vestigial. Unnecessary.
But other positions may not be.
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Post by Izad on Oct 5, 2009 17:02:10 GMT -5
well i dont mention about Head Herald because i wanted my name in for it. I really just dont think we need to have a bunch of confusion on the 3 positions that we are going to have. Cause we are putting up all of these rules and bylaws and what ever else is going to come up and i dont want us to go through all of this and have those 3 overcrowded with to much work than what they can handle and still keep things organized and going straight.
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Post by Lucius on Oct 5, 2009 21:51:15 GMT -5
In my practical experience, when it was just Nova and I, without Merc or Kenshin, we were able to function; one of us would be herald while the other greeted newcomers or fought. I think the realm can work with just 3 administrators, as long as the bylaws allow the administratrs to act as heralds and whatnot.
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Post by kira on Oct 6, 2009 17:17:40 GMT -5
There's so much more to being an admin than just greeting new comers. The admin has to oversee the web page and the boards, make sure realm bills get paid, meet with people about realm obligations, encouraging realm members to present themselves well at events and other gatherings, deal with other people's interpersonal issues, organize outings to outside realms or events, organize hosted events, keep updated on all Dagorhir and realm-specific rules (fighting and otherwise), keep members updated on changes to those rules, keeping in contact with other admins, making sure that there is relative peace on the field and that there are people to herald or teach newcomers, tracking expenses by balancing a ledger and storing receipts, deciding where some of the money should be spent/budgeted, making quick decisions that the members don't have the chance to be there to decide, ... I could keep going, and I'm sure that Merc could come up with more.
Long and short of this story, is just because being an admin feels important and easy when you're just looking out over the field, there is so much more to do. Some things, like the bills, only have to be done once a month, but others have to be tended to several times every week. Running a nonprofit is a huge responsibility, one that I believe will take at least three people in order to not be overwhelming.
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Post by Haze on Oct 6, 2009 17:19:54 GMT -5
He was talking about about the jobs that the Head Herald would do, he wasn't oversimplifying the administrative positions but rather pointing out that they could do what we previously had a (unneeded) separate position for.
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Post by kira on Oct 6, 2009 17:29:10 GMT -5
Oh. Didn't mean to go overboard with that.  |
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Post by Vors Nymphkilla on Oct 6, 2009 22:39:10 GMT -5
hey look, maeth drama, everyone look at me over here. yeah the kid who did something stupid. yeah look at me and ignore all the drama so it just goes away. and we can get back to actual business
ok. now with that done. i been off the boards for a few days and i already see what people mean about alot of this info going by without being noticed. having alot of major discussions on the boards gets alot of info out real fast but our things like twitter updates and the newsletter havent been given time to express anything. i think they are going to help ALOT when it comes to people knowing whats going on. i personally think that we do have more time than we think we do and we should just have Nova, Lucius, and Merc working on things (like the bi monthlies) up to the election so we dont have nothing getting done before people are elected. i REALLY like the idea of owen drafting up a set of bylaws for us as hes experienced and impartial. we will likely hack it to pieces hashing it into something that will work for us, but it is a very important step. all of this is new ground for all of us and its going to be harsh on everyone until we know what we're doing. as for voter limits, i think we can pretty much tell who is and isnt going to stick with dag usually in the first few weeks. we need the people who will most likely stick with us and want to be a real part of who we are to be voting. the people who just come out for weekend fun are different from the people who go to events, get garb, make characters, weapons, etc.
i'm personally throwing my name into the ring for vice admin or event admin because i really care about this whole realm, but not enough to take the most responsibility. i have alot of free time that is spent thinking about dag when i'm not doing things for dag, so id like to spend more time doing for us. i've been working in the background with the higher orks about trying to get maeth some allies for Winter event, trying to get our east coast friends to come to bimonthlies. generally i've tried to be an ambassador for us (as well as Urk Kuldar) to every realm and unit we meet. i have black spots to my record as everyone in our realm has gotten to some degree at some point, but i think i could do a good job helping to get us organized.
i really see our decisions and actions as of late similar to the Urk Kuldar Relaunch. we are becoming a bit more formal, getting more serious as a realm about how we fight and present ourselves to fellow dagorhirrim and to the non-dag public. we really need to make sure everyone can be happy with what we're becoming as a realm so we dont disintigrate like some of UK has done. above all of this, i again want to remind everyone: we are all close friends and Dagorhir is something we love to do. lets not destroy either of these over drama, personal issues, and bickering. we already have 99 problems as a realm at the moment, lets not make our friends #100
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