Legal Weapons?

[Dro]

So the n00b has another question about the legality of a weapon. Would it be legal to make a minimum dimension blue with a stabbing tip and a pretty large handguard? The idea would be that it's a broken cutlass, and the handguard would act as a small shield without actually being a shield. I orinally thought about just doing this in dagger form and not worrying about striking surface, but you never know when those extra 12 inches will come in handy ;-) Also, not that I plan on making any or trying to properly wield them, but is it even possible to have blue warhammers? I watched Outlander last night and the one dude uses two hammers and it looked cool and made me wonder.

[Vors Nymphkilla]

the broken cutlass would pass likely and would probly look really cool. also the blue warhammers, while i would think them difficult to make, are a legal weapon. few people use them because they are generally slow and so hard to make, but legal none the less depending on their construction

an old realm member, Aris, is curently heading a klan of Chaos Dwarves in the state of Indiana. they are bound know a good design for a blue hammer. i'll get in touch with him if he has designs

[Mercaine]

That's a great parrying weapon idea you have with the broken cutlass. Just remember a few things:
- Keep your hand guard under well 12" in any one direction (that way you avoid being called a shield and failing)
- Make sure you have the weight! 12 oz is not an easy feat to make when you are thinking smaller weapons. However, with the handguard and putting some weight in the pommel you should make it.
- you guard could be a few things... I'd stay away from really anything rigid or hard. You could do full out blue foam with duct-tape or, maybe to make it a bit sturdier, "core" the blue foam with a cardboard or something that has give and wouldn't fail your weapon for "excess core" issues.

weapons with hand guards are great for blocking and parrying all kinds of shots, but especially red weapons! the little bit of foam in between your hand and the shot saves lots of grief and pain.

I won't speak on the subject of hammers seeing as many of them end up being big padded danger sticks when they are finished.

[Dro]

thanks! i wasn't planning on the handguard being anywhere near 12 inches. it's only going to be like 6 inches or so. i had forgotten about the weight requirement, so thanks for bringing that to my attention. also, to cardboard idea for sturdiness is a great idea. i was just going to use foam, but that would add some stability and a smidgeon of extra weight. i'm actually really excited to see how this turns out. as for the hammers, i was just curious as to whether they would pass. i wasn't sure if you would have to make both sides 12 inches for striking surface requirements or just 12 inches total. i have no intentions of even attempting to make such a weapon since they seem like they would be difficult to weild effectively and safely. Although using one to hook weapons and sheild might work for some styles of fighting.

[eoin]

Cardboard would get pounded down to paper. I read once on the nationals about using pieces of those flexible cutting boards in cross guards. That would add sturdiness while still having flex.

As for hammers it's 12 padded inces above the hand grip. Atleast thats what seemed to be agreed on last time it came up.

[Izad]

i saw someone making a handguard by cutting out the shape of what they want out of blue foam and gluing a few of them around the core, 2 or so on top of the core and 2 or so underneath. Morgrim and Blackhand make really good handgaurds. They could give you some good advice.

Just talked to Blackhand, he said a good way to do it is to glue the handgaurd to the core and the top of the handgaurd to the bottom of the blade. Using gorilla glue. then tape everything up strong and tight and cover that with hockey tape so it wont look like a backyard hick groundhog killing stick.

[Dro]

Legal? It's one of those egyptian poleaxes that has the weird axe head on both ends. I saw that there's a rule about double-ended weapons, but the only weapon i saw mentioned in it was the quarterstaff.

[Dro]

and would it be legal to make a weapon that has a war hammer head on one side and a sword blade on the other?

[eoin]

You can make an axe with that style head but it will not be as effective in dag as it was in real life. A quarterstaff is the only double ended weapon that id dag legal. Assuming you mean two sides of the same end and not opposite ends you can put want ever type of striking edges you want on any not quarterstaff weapon. A staff must have cylindrical striking surfaces.

[Vors Nymphkilla]

yeah the double ended weapon rule eliminates alot of fun weapons. the egyptian axe like that could be done but the head would have to curl down ALOT so it cant catch a limb and still has at least 12" of striking on each side and the top (the main striking area of the real weapon) wouldnt be very useful.

[Dro]

gah. that double ended rule blows. like, i'm not saying i'm a world-class fighter, but all my fighting technique is with a staff or another weapon that i can use both ends of. they should ammend the rules, allow double-ended weapons, but have any double ended weapon, regardless of length, count as blue. i could live with that.

[Vors Nymphkilla]

im planning a double ended war axe that will basically be a quarter staff as defined by the cylindrical padding, but with an axehead on each side of each end. basically just make a double ended axe with plenty of padding around the hafts to make the whole thing a striking surface.

[Dro]

Would that be legal? If it passes, i'm totally making one! Also, I have a 4-ft section of 3/4 pvc pipe with a 3/4 dowel rod stuffed in it with no ideas as to what sort of red to make. Vors, if I give it to you during one of our brainstorms and we come up with a good idea, would you use it for something? Because I'm fresh out of good ideas that i'm capable of making. Speaking of which, i made a sick fencing saber. I think I'm going to make a hopper for it and keep it on my belt when using my red. The crosshilt is probably going to fall apart really quickly, but it looks sooooo sick.

[Vors Nymphkilla]

i've done pvc stuffed with dowel before so i think we can think of something, granted i cant afford materials to make anything out of it. i know someone was talking about making a flamberge but i cant remember who

[Swordbrother Nova]

Wrap the dowel in tape to make it fit nice and snug, otherwise it'll rattle and weapons checkers will make faces.